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 in place to rebuild a franchise that has obviously lost its way?A long-term tear down and rebuild is not what 67-year-old GM Dave Gettleman nor 53-year-old head coach Pat Shurmur Julian Love NFL Draft , both getting second chances in those roles, signed up for.I have to go back to something I wrote for a Giants season preview for the SB Nation flagship.I also wrote this a couple of weeks ago, and I think it captures what the Giants hoped to do in 2018 and 2019:Obviously, the short-term plan has been blown to smithereens and that “stinkin’ rebuild” Gettleman and Shurmur did not want to undertake back in January is now upon them. Are they the right men to lead the Giants back out of the wilderness to which the franchise has returned?Let’s try to answer the question.Brad Penner-USA TODAY SportsDave GettlemanThat was Gettleman at his introductory press conference when asked if he was a “care taker” or saw his appointment as a long-term thing.Well, he’s done that. He’s kicked a lot of them out the door, both in the locker room and in the front office. He’s brought in a lot of new faces. The one thing he hasn’t done, at least not yet, is make the Giants better.Can he?Gettleman’s work thus far has been a mixed bag. A long-time pro personnel guy, one question about him when he became GM of the Carolina Panthers was whether or not he could draft successfully. He can. His drafts in Carolina weren’t perfect, but he got quality players in each of the five he conducted.His first draft in New York brought in Saquon Barkley and Will Hernandez, cornerstone offensive players, and Lorenzo Carter and B.J. Hill, good young defensive players. If he hits on Kyle Lauletta, a fourth-round quarterback, that draft is a grand slam.His free agency decisions in his first year with the Giants have not paid big dividends. Jonathan Stewart was a mistake. So Julian Love Buffalo Bills Jersey , too, was Patrick Omameh. Nate Solder was an overpay, but that’s the price of having to fill a need on the high end of the free agent market. You end up paying A+ prices for B or C players.The success or failure of Gettleman’s tenure will ultimately come down to two questions. First, can he fix the offensive line? Second, can he find a franchise quarterback?His first effort at an offensive line rebuild hasn’t been successful. Solder is really what should have been expected, a middle of the road left tackle. Will Hernandez was an outstanding second-round pick. This offseason, Gettleman needs to work to upgrade the other three spots.The hog-mollie loving Gettleman’s history indicates that he will eventually get the offensive line right. In pro personnel with the Giants, he helped identify Shaun O’Hara and Kareem McKenzie as free agent targets. In Carolina, he drafted Trai Turner, Daryl Williams and Taylor Moton and uncovered All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell as an undrafted free agent.The quarterback question? Gettleman has never had to answer that one. In Carolina, Cam Newton was in place when he got there. Last offseason, while the rest of the league was tripping over itself to get a crack at what was viewed as a historic quarterback class, Gettleman passed and selected Barkley. This is the big one. Can Gettleman find the Giants a top-tier quarterback to replace Manning? We shall see.Brad Penner-USA TODAY SportsPat ShurmurThat was Gettleman during Shurmur’s introductory press conference. Co-owner John Mara also used the word “adult” when referring to Shurmur.Coming off a season 3-13 season in which three players were suspended and discord was rampant in the locker room, that is a characteristic the Giants valued in their head-coaching search.They found it with Shurmur. The 53-year-old 30-year coaching veteran has brought some calm to a situation that turned into complete chaos a year ago. Gettleman and Shurmur initially talked at length about the importance of culture, brought in veterans from successful organizations to help Authentic Christopher Slayton Jersey , and have been successful in building relationships and keeping the obvious dysfunction out of the locker room.Shurmur ran a good preseason program and training camp. He showed some backbone by fining Odell Beckham Jr. He treats people, including the media, with respect. It’s apparent when he doesn’t appreciate a question, but he does his best to provide an answer, anyway.What Shurmur hasn’t done is win games. His reputation as a quality offensive play caller and quarterback guru hasn’t translated yet with the Giants. Is Shurmur the right guy to handle this rebuild? There really is no way to know until we go through it and see how well he handles it.At first blush, you might want a young, energetic first-time head coach. You might want Sean McVay. Shurmur’s steady hand, though, might prove to be the right tonic as the Giantstry to get back on the right path.As offensive coordinator in St. Louis, he helped the Rams go from 1-15 in 2009 to 7-9 in 2012. In two years as head coach of the Cleveland Browns he went 9-23 — not so bad considering that the Browns have gone 13-48-1 since they fired him.Can Shurmur guide what will ultimately be a young team back to the point where it becomes an annual contender? We just don’t know.How long will Shurmur and Gettleman get?The leash on coaches is always shorter than it is on general managers. Neither of these guys is going anywhere after the 2018 season. After 2019? If it doesn’t feel like the Giants are at least moving in the right direction, you certainly have to think Shurmur’s seat will at least get warm. Gettleman? The Giants had never fired a GM before letting go of Jerry Reese. It took several years of poor draft and free agent decisions to get the Giants into the mess they are in. Gettleman doesn’t figure to get a 10-year leash, but he does figure to get some time — health permitting — to try and put this Humpty Dumpty of a team back together again. Ohio State EDGE Nick Bosa might be an even better prospect than brother Joey was."WhiteFanposts Fanshots Sections New York Giants NewsGiants Training Camp 2016Giants vs. Eagles 2015, Week 17NFL Draft2019 NFL DraftNick Bosa might be the best EDGE in this draft, but he probably won’t be a GiantNew,94commentsOhio State EDGE Nick Bosa might be an even better prospect than brother Joey was. EDTShareTweetShareShareNick Bosa might be the best EDGE in this draft Christopher Slayton Jersey Boys , but he probably won’t be a GiantMatthew Emmons-USA TODAY SportsWhat is going to happen at the top of the 2019 NFL Draft? With the intrigue surrounding the quarterback position and differences in opinion on who is the top player in the draft and on how positional value will factor into the mix. The result is something of a crap-shoot when it comes to guessing which five prospects will be drafted in the first five selections. It is almost universally assumed that Ohio State EDGE Nick Bosa will be one of the first three players selected in the 2019 NFL Draft, and certainly drafted in the top five. It is highly unlikely that the New York Giants will have the chance to draft him, but they should do their due diligence anyway.MeasurablesProsPrototypical size and frame for an NFL EDGEExceptional technique and hand usage.Good first step and change of direction.Able to win with speed or power. Diagnoses plays quickly and well. Sets a good edge against the run.Able to play from a two or three-point stance.High-effort player.ConsLong speed is only average for the position.Has a bit of hip tightness.Prospect VideoWhat They’re Saying - Lance Zierlein (NFL.com - Scouting Report) Does He Fit The Giants?Yes. Simple as that. Nick Bosa is one of those players who fits every scheme, and if he doesn’t fit a scheme, then it is a bad scheme and needs to be replaced.Bosa plays on both sides of the defensive front, lining up in both two and three-point stances, as well as inside in certain sub-packages. He combines a good first step and very good lateral agility with excellent leverage and power throughout his body. On top of that, he has polished pro-ready hands and a variety of pass rush moves which allow him to beat blockers with speed, technique, or power.Bosa doesn’t have great long speed and some tightness in his hips could limit how well he plays in space. But that being said, if a defensive coordinator is asking him to play in space more than once or twice a game to disguise a zone blitz, then their fitness to call the defense should be questioned. So yes, Bosa fits the Giants’ defense, but it is highly unlikely that he will last anywhere near long enough for them to even consider drafting him.